Found an interesting article on the BBC website:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/the_daily_politics/7949104.stm from the Daily Politics show back in March 2009.
A poll was conducted with just over 1,000 eligible voters asking the following questions with the following answers.
1. The current economic crisis has made me more likely to support Britain joining the Euro
Agree- 31% : Disagree- 64%
2. Britain benefits overall from membership of the European Union in terms of jobs and trade
Agree- 44% : Disagree- 51%
3. Britain should leave the EU but maintain close trading links
Agree- 55% : Disagree- 41%
4. The British people should decide in a vote before Britain transfers any further power to the European Union
Agree- 84% : Disagree- 13%
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The LISBON TREATY and the 2010 election.
The Lisbon Treaty is now in full force, and Europe is now in control of many significant aspects of the government of this country.
This has happened without anyone asking the British people, and it is now impossible to hold a referendum.
None of the mainstream parties can fully govern Britain, because the Lisbon Treaty removes any effective power. None of them can hold a referendum, because it is contrary to the provisions of the Treaty, which this country has accepted. (Tories can’t do it, so nor can UKIP)
I expect some people will be quick to contradict me, but it seems to me that the mainstream parties and UKIP have made themselves redundant.
All three of the mainstream parties, and UKIP, have painted themselves into a corner, from which there is no legal escape under the Lisbon Treaty.
Any promises any of them make about many aspects of British life and the problems we experience, have to be seen as false, because such matters are now firmly under the control of Europe and the Lisbon Treaty.
It follows that there is nothing to be gained by voting for any one of them, they are all equally powerless under the unifying umbrella of the Lisbon Treaty and Europe.
All the arguments on this forum are pointless under the new regime. Europe rules over all of us now.
That leaves a one horse race, the outsider -- the BNP.
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Well again you have missed out something important, under the Lisbon Treaty the UK has opt outs in place for certain areas of the treaty:
The Irish Republic and the UK currently have an opt-out from European policies concerning asylum, visas and immigration. Under the new treaty they have the right to opt in or out of any policies in the entire field of justice and home affairs.
Which mean WE DON’T have to follow EU rues we can simply envoke our opt out if any EU law that is put forward goes against British National Interests.
So you are wrong on that score, however I do agree that the way the EU works isn’t always good for Britain but the ONLY way to make the EU work for Britain is to work from within to make it work to our advantage, leaving the EU would at this point in time (based on our current economic situation) would do more damage to the UK which we can’t afford at the moment.
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Opt-outs are limited in scope and reducing in number.
We should make our own laws, our own decisions, and not be going cap-in-hand to Europe for permission.
We do make our own laws the EU has NO say in what laws the United kingdom has.
Our Parliment and Law Lords have FULL powers to control British Laws, always have always will the Lisbon Treaty DOESN’T change that as it is part of our own constitution of which the EU has Zero Right over.
And that goes for EVERY member state of the EU.
You see because if what you are claiming is true then even the BNP wouldn;t be able to get us out of Europem because you imply we are locked in by laws, if that were true NO Party would be able to take us out of it and that’s just fact.
But under our constitution ANY Governing Party can call a public vote/referendum and if and ONLY if the people decide we can then leave the EU and the EU has no control over that and cannot stop us doing so,
So you’re claim that ONLY the BNP has the power to do that is factually incorrect ONLY the Governing Party (the Government) has the power to do that no matter which party is in Government, Tory, Lab, Lib, Ukip or even my cat as long as they are in control of the Government they can under our British Laws put up the question to the people.
But by the same token if the people say NO they want to stay in the Government CAN’T then take us out that is also in the constitution so where the EU is concerned the ultimate decission to stay in or leave is down to us the British people NOT the Government or the EU.
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And to point out something else to you;
The EU Parliment DOES NOT control any Member State, each Member State retains it’s individual soverenty and it’s ability to make and manage it’s own laws.
The EU wide laws are first agreed by the EU Parliment (ammended etc) to suit everyones needs and countries current laws, then they are put forward at which point if some part of said laws doesn’t agree with a particular countries constitution they can negotiate an opt out which the UK has done on many many occassions.
But the majority of the EU laws concern trade anyway, to hand powers to the EU we under our own countries constitution would have to have a reforendum as the constitution would need to be changed and that can only be done by a public vote, which is why the original EU constitution failed and wasn’t put forward to a vote as it would have handed too many powers to the EU and was therefore rejected by almost all of the 27 member states.
There has been a lot of hype re the Lisbon Treaty mainly put out by the BNP and UKIP but the actual treaty is so watered down the main thing it does is simply create the EU Presidents job whos job is simply as a marketing thing really, he has NO power to make any changes to laws etc.
Maybe you should do some research before you proclaim the UK is now run by the EU because it simply isn’t.
The main issue people had with the original EU Constitution was the Charter of Fundemental Rights which DOES NOT appear in the Lisbon Treaty.
For some nice simple English for you read thus:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6901353.stm
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In order for the EU President or the EU High Representative to envoke ANY Law or even to talk about the on the World Stage ALL 27 Member States HAVE to agree to it,
So there is NO power given to the EU President or the High Rep to bring in ANY new laws AT ALL.
So you are 100% wrong, I suggest you read all the relevant documents before you cry out
I understood that if we removed our ambasador to eu we would be able to leave? Is this perhaps a loop hole? Germany were clever enough at least to be able to return to the ‘Mark’ so i hope we never join the euro, especially when you see what has happened in Greece! We dont have the finances here to bail them out
Lesser known Lisbon – things you might not know about the Treaty
It’s in the news a lot, but how much do you really know about the Lisbon treaty?
You can ask the EU to act
The Lisbon Treaty includes a Citizen’s Initiative. This gives EU Citizens the opportunity to petition the European Commission for a change in policy, which could ultimately lead to new legislation. For a petition to be valid, it needs to contain one million signatures from a number of different EU countries
Your MP can challenge the EU if it oversteps the mark
The Lisbon Treaty strengthens powers which make sure that the EU only acts on an issue where it can add value to national or regional level action. This is the principle of subsidiarity, which keeps decision making as close as possible to the Citizen. The Lisbon Treaty makes national parliaments ‘the watchdogs’ of the EU’s draft laws. If parliaments feel the EU is overstepping the mark they can request an amendment or even a withdrawal of the law.
My voice in Europe
The Lisbon treaty ensures the European Parliament, which is made up of MEPs that you elect, has more of a say in the EU’s policy-making. The European Parliament will have to approve much more EU legislation. This means you can lobby your MEP if you have concerns about a draft EU law.
So you can see the Lisbon Treaty Actually Gives Us The Voters and People Of Europe More Powers As Individuals Than We’ve EVER Had before.
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So, so much for the Lisbon Treaty taking power away from the UK, it actually hands individual voters the power to have a greater say in the workings of Europe, so now you know if you find any EU law you don’t like get you and everyone else that doesn’t like it to hammer their MEP and MP so that they vote against anything you don’t like.
But I would hope it puts to bed all this we have no say anymore, Britain is powerless in the EU, when as you can see from the above that YOU as an INDIVIDUAL now has your INDIVIDUAL power that you can put into force in the EU.
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VoteNo ToBNP says
You can ask the EU to act
The Lisbon Treaty includes a Citizen’s Initiative. This gives EU Citizens the opportunity to petition the European Commission for a change in policy, which could ultimately lead to new legislation. For a petition to be valid, it needs to contain one million signatures from a number of different EU countries
When the EU citizens asked for a referendum many were denied. Of those EU citizens that were lucky enough to have a referendum -- if they gave the wrong result they were told to have another until they got the right result. We may have the right to partition the EU but that doesn’t mean to say they will take any notice
Your MP can challenge the EU if it oversteps the mark
The Lisbon Treaty strengthens powers which make sure that the EU only acts on an issue where it can add value to national or regional level action. This is the principle of subsidiarity, which keeps decision making as close as possible to the Citizen. The Lisbon Treaty makes national parliaments ‘the watchdogs’ of the EU’s draft laws. If parliaments feel the EU is overstepping the mark they can request an amendment or even a withdrawal of the law.
All the MP’s in the mainstream parties only answer to their paymasters ie the owners of the Central Banks and associated big businesses collectively known as the Bilderburg Group using taxpayers money. This is why their policies are all so similar; they are like a 3 headed dragon sharing the same body.
Only the BNP is actually financed from voluntary contributions from its members and well wishers and as such, if for no other reason, it is the only political party that will act in the interests of us the people of the UK.
If the LibLabCons are not puppets of the world’s elite, then why have they allowed law and order to disintigrate, why do they keep dumbing down education, why have they not kept a grasp on immigration, why have they allowed political correctness to flourish suppressing our freedom of speech; why have they sought to destroy our nation health service; why do they continually sh*t on our armed forces; why to they seek to oppress any who disagree with them through using such words as Nazi, Fascist, Racist, etc -- it is only now that the BNP have got 2 MEPS that their policies are now becoming known despite extreme resistance
My voice in Europe
The Lisbon treaty ensures the European Parliament, which is made up of MEPs that you elect, has more of a say in the EU’s policy-making. The European Parliament will have to approve much more EU legislation. This means you can lobby your MEP if you have concerns about a draft EU law.
What voice in Europe. We have been denied any voice whatsoever, know we are denied the ability to make our own laws. We are denied the right to be a sovereign nation, to set our own taxes and to forge our own future. To repeat what I said earlier, when have our MEPs voiced any of our concerns about immigration, law and order, etc -- it is not in there interests to do so. In fact it is only since the last EU elections that a number of right wing MEP’s from different countries becamce elected that anyone has dared to speak for the ordinary citizen
True frredom comes from the decentralisation of power making MP answerable only to their own LOCAL communities. Centralisation of power is the hallmark of a totalitarian dictatorship as seen in George Orwells 1984, not a democracy
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Ah so you’re another conspiracy theory NUTTER then, ah well no point trying to debate then as you won’t be able to see anything past the New World Order conspiracy then, ah well poo you :-(
So you are a supporter of the Conspiracy Theories then, that all the mainstream parties are part of a plot to decive everyone, and that the BNP is the saviour then?
“In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one’s sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific social superiors, such as the murder of a husband by his wife (treason against the king was known as high treason and treason against a lesser superior was petit treason). A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor.”
Which area of Treson do you assume that MP’s have commited going by the definition above?
And what specific acts have they commited, and what evidence do you have to support the claims?
The Government itself can’t repeal the 1972 act by itself, they have to have a referendum and the people decide so Cameron hasn’t directly commited treason in any sense of the word, he can only put it to a public vote.
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If you are (as I am assuming reffering to the Lisbon Treaty, here are a few things that you may not know about the Lisbon Treaty as they haven’t been made public enough, but the treaty actually give you as a voter more rights than you have actually ever had before over EU law:
Here are a few things you may not know about the Lisbon Treaty and the powers it hands over to us as individuals:
You can ask the EU to act
The Lisbon Treaty includes a Citizen’s Initiative. This gives EU Citizens the opportunity to petition the European Commission for a change in policy, which could ultimately lead to new legislation. For a petition to be valid, it needs to contain one million signatures from a number of different EU countries
Your MP can challenge the EU if it oversteps the mark
http://www.vote-no-to-bnp.co.uk/2009/12/lesser-known-lisbon-treaty.html
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WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. You see the three mainstream parties have so corrupted their power and distorted the truth you don’t even now know what TREASON is. It’s not your fault. The three main parties have obscured their trail so well.
May I suggest you (and anybody else) looks up this link to find out EXACTLY why the three mainstream parties have committed TREASON and have done so ever since ECA1972 under Heath The Traitor.
http://weareangry.co.uk/Discussion/tabid/822/aff/108/aft/71/afv/topic/afpgj/1/language/en-US/Default.aspx#79
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Sorry that site is a forum and doesn’t point out anything legal, just personal opinion.
But what that forum does say actually backs up what I said about needing a referendum to change any constitutional area of the country (which membership of the EU is) so in that respect In was correct, the Government can’t take us out of the EU without permission of the people.
So why won’t Cameron give us a referendum on our membership of the EU.
I know he can’t give us the one he promised on the Lisbon Treaty because it has already been ratified -- but he can give us one on our EU membership.
By responding to the wishes of the electorate, the Conservatives then would have a clear mandate for the future
That’s one you need to ask him really, I would also like it to happen (even though I support the Tories) I think we should be allowed to have a vote on the Lisbon Treaty (which is what was promised) and persoanlly I would have voted NO to the Lisbon Treaty given the chance.
On membership of the EU in my opinion being a member of the EU is good for the country, so I would vote NOT to leave it.
In terms of a vote one has never been promised by any party on EU Membership so no party has actually broken a promise in that respect.
If you want a vote on EU Membership check with the governemt websites and see what you need to do to force a vote, I believe there are people powers their that allow you to force a vote if you can get enough support.
There are MANY tory MP’s who would support a vote on EU Membership.
Persoanlly I would vote against leaving that’s me.
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We cant have a referendum on the lisbon traety as it has already been ratified.
My question was why wont the Tories give us a referendum on our EU membership.
And I also answered that as well, I don;t make Tory policy therefore you would have to ask the party themselves.
But as I said their may be a way to force it using people power (not demonstrations) under the constitution or using the legal system.
Check out the Government Websites and see if it can be done.
Like I have already said many times I support our being in the EU, so I would vote against leaving. But if you want a vote on it research how it can be done and get the support you need and force the vote.
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All i can find is 1972 Local Government Act which can be used to force a local referendum, maybe there is a similar act that can force a national one.
maybe you could find something here The Political Parties, Elections and Referendum Act 2000
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000041_en_1
VoteNo ToBNP said
And I also answered that as well, I don;t make Tory policy therefore you would have to ask the party themselves.
But as I said their may be a way to force it using people power (not demonstrations) under the constitution or using the legal system.
Check out the Government Websites and see if it can be done.
Like I have already said many times I support our being in the EU, so I would vote against leaving. But if you want a vote on it research how it can be done and get the support you need and force the vote.
I say,
In other words the Tory Party couldn’t give a stuff about the electorate, prefering to line their own pockets
Well we can have a referendum at the general election by voting BNP who have stated catagorically that their first act would be to get us out of the EU as quickly as possible.
I would have said UKIP as well only recent revelations have shown us that they tried to do a deal with the Tories by promising to disband if Cameron held a referendum. So much for their loyalty to the electorate
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But they can ONLY pull out of the EU by means of a referendum (they can;t do it by themselves) if the majority of people vote against the motion then they still CAN’T do it.
You see membership of the EU is a constitutional issue and can only be done by changing the constitution which requires a referendum and a majority vote of the public.
So if (and they won’t be) the BNP get elected they would then have to hold a referendum under constitutional law.
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Exactly, so the only way we can get a referendum on our EU membership is by voting bNP, because the Toties most definately wont give us one
The BNP are not fielding enough candidates to get a majority power in Government and therefore won;t be able to force a vote on the EU anyway.
They are planning on putting up only 200 candidates in the 600+ seats, so even if we assumed that got all 200 elected there would still be over 400 more that would easily defeat them in a vote on an EU Referendum so we still wouldn;t have one anyway.
The BNP has no chance of achieveing it’s goal as 200 candidates just isn’t enough.
They need to have over 300 MP’s in order to force any kind of Referendum or law change. So again 200 isn;t enough.
Even the BNP admit they won’t win the next election, and are only targeting 2 MP’s themselves so they still won;t be able to get a referendum anyway.
So you’re still stuck in the EU regardless.
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So maybe you should accept a few facts really:
1. The BNP Admit they won’t get elected into Government.
2. They are only putting up 200 candidates out of 600+
3. The BNP are ONLY targeting getting two MP’s Elected
4. NONE of their policies will be enacted during the next parliment.
5. We won’t get a vote on the EU
If you want BNP Policies to be enacted then you will have to wait potentially 20 years before they build up a big enough power base in Westminster.
The LibDems have taken years to achieve just 60+ MP’s and they have no real effect on policy at all at the end of the day, they are the minority in Westminster.
So to have all the BNP policies enacted they would need in excess of (lets be nice here) 250+ MP’s and the hope to gain support of the other parties as well, to get any law change done.
So I hope you can see the reality is you WON’T get a referendum on the EU or a block on all immigration or any other BNP Policy in the next parliment BY THE BNP’S OWN ADMITION.
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Another quick addition to the above;
The BNP would have to become the official Opposition Party in order to have enough people to get laws changed.
so they effectively have to beat either the Tories or Labour into third place in terms of seat numbers.
And I don’t see that happening anytime soon do you? (if you are being honest about it)
Change has to start somewhere. The BNP will not win the next election, or the one after that, but if this country keeps going the way it is; if the Conservative and Labour parties do nothing to address the genuine fears of the “British” electorate; radical change will come sooner or later. For me, the sooner the better!
I have no time at all for Tories, Labour or Lib-Dems. They all have the same aim of turning us into pure consumers and taxing us to death while importing votes from the Third World.
The Left have had a chance to show us their socialist policies, and it’s brought this country to its knees. In fact they’re not real socialists -- they’re a bunch of self-loathing white liberals with a severe guilt complex.
I have no qualms about voting BNP whatsoever. We need some strength and pride.
Britain once had strength and pride, and I’m sure we still have the ability to tear an EU Treaty in two, then ask the public if they want to join up instead of the other way around.
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This article has just been posted on the BNP website.
The Tories and UKIP have quite falsely claimed that it is virtually impossible to leave the new EU superstate.
For example, Tory MEP Daniel Hannan, writing in his column in The Telegraph of 2 December, said that, “Until yesterday, Britain could simply walk out of the EU by abrogating the Treaty of Rome and repealing the 1972 European Communities Act.
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/12/can-britain-actually-leave-the-new-european-union/
Looks like membership of the EU is not quite the done deal it is claimed to be
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That said we are reminded that Britain can only withdraw from the E.U whilst it retains control of it`s military and police.
On 20th February 2009 the European Parliament voted in favour of the creation of Synchronized Armed Forces Europe (SAFE) as a first step towards a true European military force. SAFE will be directed by an EU directorate, with its own training standards and operational doctrine.
Already a `think tank` feasibility report has been drawn up to completely integrate all European Armed Services within a projected period of I believe 10 to 20 years.
That will mean our beloved Army, Airforce and Navy will cease to exist to protect our country, and our bases will be filled with a cadre of home and foreign troops giving allegiance to the E.U and to deal with any usurpers that wish to withdraw from the E.U.
The effect of this will be totalitarian control, and short of a home rising, we will NEVER be able to extract ourselves from their `union`.
Meaning we only have the luxury of holding another 2 to 3 general elections after this one if dont get out as soon as possible
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“That said we are reminded that Britain can only withdraw from the E.U whilst it retains control of it`s military and police.”
This is frankly bs, if we leave the EU we leave it all, no stipulations, complete withdrawal from the Union.
If you claim that is the case show the EU Legislation that actually quotes it, it doesn;t exist and the EU cannot replace a nations army anyway, because again we would need to have a UK Referendum in order to create that as the Armed Forces belong to the Queen and we the people would have to vote to no longer have British Armed forces, (which would NEVER happen), no British person would vote for that EVER.
We have one of the worlds best armies and it will stay that way. The Armed forces are protected under the British constitution so they can’t be removed.
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I always thought the Queen and her government represented the people and that a referendum was a requirement before sacrificing our sovereignty.
If they could deny us a referendum on such an all improtant issue as handing over our sovereignty to a oreign power then they will have absolutely no qualms whatsoever in such a comparitively minor thing such as selling out our armed forces behind our backs.
So your arguement holds no validity as has been historically proven
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Like I said our Armed Forces are protected under the constitution and CANNOT be removed EVER without the vote of the people simple as.
If ANY Government of ours tried to remove our Army I/You and the rest of the country would seriously hammer the Government it will be the first time in many years this country has been so unity.
So I would doubt any Government would be dumb enough to even try that one.
As is / was our sovereignty, or so I thought
I believe we are now seeing the real reason for the LibLabCons mass immigration policies to displace the British people so that they can do as they please as regards our military and everything else that defines us as a sovereign nation
Ok had a quick look into SAFE (as NOT happy with this one), it seems it was a proposal in Feb 2009, to become an OPT-IN force NOT something we HAVE to be part of.
But I will be emailing the Tories on Monday asking for their position on this one, this isn’t something I EVER want to see, part of the EU for trade etc good, removing our army etc BAD.
So I will have a closer look at this one before I say too much on it, had heard of it thought it had basically just gone by the wayside as a bad idea, but will certainly see what the Tory position is.
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All though saying that I still wouldn’t vote BNP because like I said the other policies will kill the country.
Thanks, I would also be interested in more clarification as to what there intentions are
Have found a few news stories in the Tory website concerning this one, all saying it’s a non-starter as far as the Tories are concerned.
But those are just news stories, so not clear what the actual policy is, so will get clarification from the party Monday (will email) and post here when I get a response.
Obviously I am hoping it comes back as a NO we won’t be signing up to that one.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/85688/Labour-is-blasted-for-backing-an-EU-Army
Brief article on the subject but seems UKIP and the Tories voted AGAINST.
But there is a paper being produced, but that will probably take a few years to go through the process of the EU anyway, the vote was to allow the proposal to be drafted.
I would assume as their are big elements of the Tory party that are Euroskeptic anyway so I would doubt it would ever be supported by a Tory Government.
So at least my faith in the Tories is still at this point safe (no pun intended).
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Just emailed the follow to tory HQ:
“Good morning,
Please could you confirm the Conservative party position on the creation of “Synchronized Armed Forces Europe” (SAFE)?
As a Conservative voter I would be 100% oppossed to this, I would therefore like to know the official party policy on this issue.”
Will let you know the reply I receive.
B/S just like we needed the united nations vote to invade iraq or a promised referendum on the E>U we have ,we all no it ,no matter what spin people put on it, the most evil stalanists in gov;they are capable of anythink.once embedded fully into the E?U and the E?U super army is formed britain will no longer have her own armed force! They will fire on the british population if ordered to do so!!
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What you have actually quoted there is how to exit ALL of the European Union, which as we have talked about before would mean a change to the constitution of the UK.
This can be done by means of a Referendum, it ISN’T however how to withdraw from the Lisbon Treaty.
But I agree that UKIP and the Tories haven’t made it clear that we can infact leave the EU.
But regardless of that what you have shown is complete withdrawal of the EU, and NO party except UKIP and the BNP are calling for that, so not really for the Tories/Lab or LibDems to show it, as they don’t want to leave.
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And another FACT the Tories have NEVER said it is legally impossible to leave the EU (at least not that I have ever read).
Here is a response I received back in June this year from the Government on the very question of leaving the EU.
“The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office (Lord Triesman): Parliament may amend or repeal any existing Act of Parliament, including the European Communities Act 1972. There is no formal procedure for withdrawal in the EU treaties, nor are there any provisions in the treaties or any other international obligations which affect the ultimate ability of the UK to withdraw from the EU. However, given that the UK has been a member of the EU for more than 25 years, and its laws and economy are intricately bound up with those of the EU, the Government would in practice have to negotiate the terms of any departure over a lengthy period.”
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An update on SAFE “Synchronized Armed Forces Europe”
This point was raised by UK Forever on a previous page, and was something I said I would look into, I have done so and what I have found is the following:
The Parties that are firmly against ANY kind of full EU army (replacing national armies) are as follows
Conservatives
LibDems
UKIP
BNP
Green
It seems only the Labour Party are taking this one seriously, although they do also say they would NEVER allow our Armed Forces to be replaced.
So the idea that only the BNP and UKIP are oppossed to this is NOT the case MANY other parties are against removing our own Armed Forces.
So it’s basically a myth that our Armed Forces will be closed down and moved to the EU.
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Ever since the idea behind the formation of the EU there has been a history a new proposal put forward, the subsequent objection, then the compromise. In 1979 we were assured as a nation that our sovereignty would never be at risk if we joined the EU that it was purely a trading agreement; yet what has just happened.
As long as we are in Europe we will have this loaded gun pointing at our heads. Even though the above mentioned parties say they have no intention of allowing our armed forces to be replaced that can change at any time; at any time moving forward we could end up with another dictatorial Prime Minister such as GB who will happily sign away this last obstacle to our national sovereignty as a free nation. Maybe you can live that but I cant which is why I am voting for the BMP.
David said in a previous post that the BNP are paranoid; well if that’s the case it is because our eyes are wide open to the betrayal and mass deception of the last few decades. We have seen it all before and cannot be deceived any longer.
You wonder why I don’t argue the toss about policy; well it is because all parties promise the Earth before a general election, and then change them once elected. This is why so few people bother to vote, because they have lost all faith in the usual mainstream parties.
It is the bigger picture I look at, and at the moment it is horrendous. The BNP is now giving people a real choice (as shown in the poll above) that they have been denied for decades and they starting to realize that, despite the negative publicity from the media. Maybe they won’t win the next election like you said due to a like of candidates, but that is all changing and will continue to pick up momentum as the EU oppression continues to escalate
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But that’s a lot of coulda woulda shoulda though really, ANY political party can change it’s stance on any issue that includes the BNP.
Who’s to say if they were elected to Government that they wouldn’t suddenly change their minds on ANY policy?
So we can’t say just certain parties will change, the BNP has proven recently that it will change it’s mind, i.e. Changing Membership rules (just last year the party were determinded to never leave their nationalist roots, but they are).
Their website says they believe in Climate Change but now they say they don’t, see policy can change which EVER party you talk about.
So we can only go by the information they currently have, we can’t just decide to predict that one party will change direction but another one won’t.
So as it stands at the moment the above parties are against such a move, they are the facts available to us right now and we have to go with those facts.
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The main objections I currently have to the BNP and the Greens for that matter are that both the Greens and the BNP bother to acknowledge the current debt crisis or world financial cris we are in.
Neither offers any policy in order to pay back that debt, and the country cannot afford to have this debt hanging around for years, we need to reduce it and start to reduce it NOW.
Labour/Tory/LibDems all have detailed suggestions on reducing that debt and that’s what we need parties with full ideas and proposals to get the job done.
We are coming up fast on the elction and we need to know what each party plans to do on this issue, and so far it’s the Greens and the BNP (and the other smaller parties) that have NO clear policy or ideas on how to get this done.
Even UKIP are offering up policies and ideas to get it done, the people of the country ARE concerned about this and it can’t be ignored, but it seems that certain parties (not just the BNP Granted) have chosen to just ignor it.
We need a strong Government prepared to make the strong choices even if that means raiseing TAX (although not mine again I alrady pay the max rate), we need a strong Government with clear direction on public spending and how to cut it back and start to pay off the debt, if we don;t get a grip on it soon the value of the good old Briyish £ wil sink and be worthless and that would be bad in so many ways.
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OK seeing as though you keep asking here are the BNP’s policies for tackling the debt crisis taken from their website: -
Here’s the link
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/07/westminster-punch-and-judy-show-fails-to-deal-with-reality-of-looming-budget-cuts/
You may also be interested in the BNP’s plans to rebuild Britains economy
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/04/how-the-bnp-will-rebuild-britain%E2%80%99s-economy/
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That’s NOT a policy it’s an article on the website, of which AGAIN the BNP have the numbers WRONG.
I agree we need a strong party to take us into the future. The liblabcons have all come up with ideas to reduce the massive debt the country faces mainly by increasing taxes that WE will have to pay.(none of us caused this, but it seems WE will have to pay for it).
Remember this £850 billion has been dropped on us like a bombshell.
I think its easy for these parties to come up with policy after policy to srink the debt, they will say anything to get the vote.
I think the BNP wont just make policy which sounds good, they will create a strategy which will actually work.
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Have you ever considered “to whom do we owe this money”? Which bank has so much money lying around that they can afford to loan it to a nation?
If you are not familiar with fiat money take a look at “Money as Debt” or, if you have the time, “The Money Masters” on Youtube or Google and then you might begin to understand a little better the economic mess we are in and why we don’t have to/shouldn’t pay back money to banks and why we should never have bailed-out any bank.
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As a wise man once told me, the only guarantee in life is that you wont get out of it alive.
Of course it is possible that the BNP could change theirs if elected. However their is a difference between the BNP and the other mainstream parties in as much as they have a track recor of being in government. A vote for any of them is a certain vote for more of the same treatment we have already recieved.
On the other hand the BNP is untested, it has no track record so all anyone can do is guess what a BNP government would be like.
The No 1 reason I support the bNP is because the current corrupt establishment is so hell-bent on discrediting them, so they must be doing something right.
Life is a gamble and sometimes you have to go with your instincts as to what feels right
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But a vote for the BNP is also a vote for a party that believe so strongly in World Wide Conspiracies that they could launch our Armed forces at any country because they believe they are “Out to get them”
With the BNP it’s conspiracy after conspiracy they can’t seem to come up with ANYTHING other than oohh another conspiracy.
The EU is no conspiracy, it is a dangerous reality.
At least with the BNP we would have outr own country, our own identity (whats left of it) our own armed forces, our own health service, etc, or hasn’t anyone noticed how alternate labour and Conservative governments have systematically worked to destry every industry that is inuque to GB.
It is easy to understand why the army is underfunded, why the NHS is in meltdoown, the Royal Mail is on its knees, etc. Within the EU they will no longer be required as the European equivalents will eventually take there place
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Looking at it from an EU perspective then:
UKIP have better policies than the BNP, they also want to leave the EU, but they also have a workable Economic Policy (NOT Closing trade borders) and NOT becoming protectionist.
And they also have a plan for repaying the debt as well as still being an active part in the rest of the world.
So if it were just a choice of the BNP or UKIP if it came down to the EU question then UKIP is the better option.
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Yeah! there policies are so good and they thought so much of them that their party leader was willing to disband the Party if David Cameron would give the Country a referendum.
Just goes to show what they think of their own party and its supporters
It speaks voluimes doesn’t it
No really my concern as I don’t support UKIP either as they too would drop the EU something I am against.
The point is they will be fielding a rather large number of candidates in the GE so they have a real shot of gaining a real foothold in Westminster.
I work for a very large company that have offices around the world and employ over 5 thousand people in the UK, and in a few conversations we had a few months ago about which party would be best for the business in terms of policy.
My management clearly said that under the BNP Protectionism policy they would close the UK operations and move them elswhere in Europe and put 5 thousand people out of a job, because the UK end of the business could NOT survive under protectionism.
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Whereas the Tory and Labour government have sold most of our industry to foreigners (the Royal Mail looks like being the next victim) while the remainder are slowly being strangled by a never ending stream of new legislation
And the BNP answer to that is as follows:
To re-nationalise these industries, ok sounds great, but they ONLY intend to buy back shares from individuals, the rest (bought by Governments, Business etc) they will re-appropriate without paying for, so forceably remove said shares.
Which as ANY good lawyer would know it illegal in EVERY country of the world, and would lead to the British Government being dragged through EVERY court in the world and end up costing Billions to get out of.
So the BNP have a real grasp on how things work then, and for that matter they also suggest via the wonderful “Lawyer” Lee Barnes that companies owned by people like Murdoch (News International) would be taken over by British People who they choose to run the company for him.
Come on what bollox, you can’t steal someones company and replace the board with people you want to run it to suit you, it again is ILLEGAL and will cost this country a bloofy fortune to sort out.
See every argument you can come up with there is an answer for because the BNP are daft enough to make these quotes public via people like Lee barnes and they wonder why people think there ideas and policies WON’T work.
Damn they make it to easy.
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So can or should we really risk the future of our already damaged country to an unknowned, with NO logical policy other than Protectionism WHICH IS PROVEN NOT TO WORK.
Your so called Protectionism didn’t damage this Country. only alternating Tory and Labour policies can take the credit for that and a lot of people have more than had enough.
As I said before the BNP’s policies are untested so no one knows the benefits or otherwise unless they are given a chance. One can only guess.
Now thing are getting so bad, literally anything would be better than the failed LibLabCon merry-go-round
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It’s NOT my so called Protectionism it’s BNP Policy plain and simple fact.
And as for the Economy Policy heres an article I wrote recently about that policy:
In this article I want to tackle the British National Party (BNP) policy on the Economy, again following what will become my standard format for dealing with BNP Policy I will show you items from their policy and then give the reasons why in my opinion these policies cannot work in our country.
The first comment I would like to make on the BNP Economy Policy is based on the second line of said policy:
http://www.vote-no-to-bnp.co.uk/2009/11/economy-unpicking-bnp-policies.html
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It would probably be read by and commented on by more visitors if this was posted under the BNP Economy Policy page: http://www.general-election-2010.co.uk/bnp-policies-economy-%E2%80%93-british-workers-first.html
It’s currently got no comments, which could say something for their grasp on economic policy.
I’ve posted all the BNP policies, updated them the other night to make sure they had the latest information in full. Done the same for Labour and Conservatives and plan to do the same for the Lib Dems, UKIP and the Greens (I regret adding the Greens policies, there are so many :-)).
David
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Thanks David, posted the Protectionism article there as well.
The Traitors in Westminster have been plotting the EU Project for decades, at least from the 60′s.
You should read below the pathetic attempts of the BNP trying to gain control over this and other websites in order to try and con people in to thinking the BNP are in some way winning are wasted.
Read the election results that have happened this week to see the real truth the BNP are NOT winning anywhere in fact they are losing one seat they did have was taken off them this week. So post as much crap as you like the British people see right through it anyway and vote for anyone but the BNP
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What have the Tories got to offer that is so good
Any party would be better than the BNP I haven’t decided which way I am voting yet but I can assure you it won’t be the BNP.
Griffin is basically a racist hiding behind some bullshit front and he can kiss my arse before ever getting my vote we don’t need people like him in this country.
Why!
What have the Tories got to offer that is so good
What have the BNP got?
Oh yeah racist policies it’s all the immigrants fault send them home. Like I said Griffin can kiss my arse before he gets my vote.
You still haven’t answered my question
What have the Tories got to offer that is so good
NOT A SINGLE THING WHICH IS FRUITFUL
Like I said I don’t know who I will vote for yet so why would I want to explain what the Tories have to offer?
Sorry!
I just assumed that as the BNP were as bad as you have been making out, you had found something about another party that was much better.
As you obviously haven’t got a clue about any party the only other conclusion I can reach is that you have latched onto the usual media “bash the BNP” frenzy like a sheep without doing any research or any logical arguements to back up your vitriolic comments
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong
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My heart bleeds purple piss, you want to know why I can’t stand the BNP?
As a black man having the displeasure of meeting your hero Griffin I know from experience what he really stands for …… so if you think for one second any bullshit you could come up with will change my mind you need to think again
my good friend Francis from Ghana lived in London for 30 years . he researched a book over 9 years about the e/u. he gave it to nick griffin at one of our meetings he looks forward to becoming our first black member he wishes to fight along side us for Britain . he has voted Tory and u-kip he is now 100% BNP he loves Britain with a [passion and does not like the way it is going he want out of the E/U.he will be out with nick in Barking in the new year god bless my friend Francis cadjho
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If i lived in the country you came from and was unhappy like in Zimbabwe, I would return to the land of my father like lots of white Zimbabweans have, they have learned the hard way they are not indigenous and after a few generations of living there they have been booted out.some may have tried to be Zulus but it didn’t work they have been massacred .If you do not like the indigenous people of Britain may be you should leave. If you like our people then vote for us! BNP 4 me
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I don’t need to read BNP Policy to know Griffin is racist I know from personal experience having been told by him to “go back where I come from” (which happens to be THIS COUNTRY
I think rather than banter BNP and lab/lib/con, you should investigate the English democrats. seems these people have got more good intentions than all the parties put together. I for one will be voting English Democrat.
it’s because of people like you that my country is being overrun with foreiners and our troops are being killed fighting an unwinnerable war for a corrupt afgan government, the Taliban have never been a threat to Britain..I,m BNP..British and proud of it.
Yes Yes Yes .Leave! but we will never have a say on this policy as it was already decided behind the scenes! We are supposed to be living in a domocratic society but we never have a say on any of the important issues. We should be allowed to have a say on these very important issues!!!! We could be saving so much money for our education, nhs and help for the disabled and elderly etc etc in this country. It would restore our belief in our lovely country and crippled economy and who wants to contribute to the death of the pound in favour of the Euro?
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an honest leader
nick griffin is indigenous to these islands if you don’t like that why did you come here in the first place to be educated fed clothed housed and then have the audacious cheek to deny us our heritage and you talk of nick griffin god bless him! You are a bit on the ungrateful side, we at least expect respect if you want to live among us!
SaveUs, just who exactly do you think is going to improve life in Britain?
The Tories, who squander everything and tell the most outrageous lies just to get into power? Oh! A referendum on Europe? Not any more.
Labour, a proven track record of disaster?
Lib-dem, who want to hand even more power to Europe?
This is how it works..,
The Tories get into power and stay in power until they screw things up and hand over to Labour.
Labour stay in power until they screw things up and hand over to the Tory,
The Tory stay in power until they screw things up and hand over to labour….
And so on and so on.. You get the picture?
Now they have both screwed the country and betrayed us all.
You call yourself “SaveUs” -- suggesting we need saving?
I agree, we do need saving, but the existing load of liars are not the ones to do it.
Save us, save Britain, Vote BNP.
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Get your facts right Rosie
Tories don’t squander -- Labour does that.
Each time there has been a Labour ‘Government’the following Conservative one has to sort out the mess.
The last Con Governemnt left the economy in a good state. Such a good state that it has taken 13 years for Labour to completely destroy it and plunge UK into a big black hole. That what they always do only this time, thanks to Gormless, they have done it better!
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who gives atoss -- just cos some bnp fascists have access to a computer, only proves that a trained monkey could type the bible given enoughh time.
Indeed hge could have wrote a Koran too!
Given enough time as a monkey!
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