The UK general election is expected on May 6 2010, where around 45 million eligible voters will place a single X against the political party/candidate they want to represent them for up to 5 years.
With our current first past the post electoral vote system only the candidate with the most votes in each of the 650 constituency seats will be MPs despite the majority of those who become MPs not receiving at least 50% of the vote from their constituency (only 34% of MPs received 50% electoral support in the 2005 general election!).
In the 2005 general election, 19 million eligible voters cast ineffective votes (they did not get the candidate they voted for), that is ~70% of those who voted!
This results in a two party system (Labour or Conservative governments) with many smaller political parties including the Liberal Democrats, UKIP, Greens, BNP… being significantly under represented in parliament relative to the percentage of the popular vote they poll and a feeling among many British voters that their MP does not represent their views and in many safe seats an attitude of “what’s the point voting, my vote is wasted?”.
Prime Minister Gordon Brown plans to pass legislation committing a future government to a referendum on moving to an Alternative Vote System for Westminster elections by October 2011.
What is the Alternative Vote System?
With the alternative vote system the same 650 constituency boundaries are used as with the current first past the post vote system.
Voters again elect a single candidate from a list to represent them, but rather than placing an X against the ONE preferred candidate, voters rank candidates in order of preference with number 1 being their first choice, 2 their second choice…
If a single candidate polls 50% of the vote (50% number 1s) they would be elected as an MP just like the current first past the post vote system.
Where no candidate receives 50% of the vote the candidates who polled least have their 1 votes redistributed to their second choice candidates. This is repeated until one candidate receives over 50% of the vote.
Based on the 2005 general election results over 30% of seats will not be affected by the alternative vote system. So 70% of parliamentary seats could be affected by the alternative vote system, assuming similar voting patterns (which is unrealistic to assume).

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That system is terrible.
It destroyed the Wiemer Republic in Germany due to lack of a strong Government, in nations it is used it results in poor Governments.
It allows racist politicians and parties (like the BNP!!!) to get representatives in and allowed Hitler to take control of Germany, of course that wouldn’t happen here but it shows how bad it can be, as the Communists had over 150 members in the Reichstag in November 1930.
I allso don’t like the fact 16 year olds would be allowed to vote.
So on that basis I would say the entire nation would be ruined if such a poor system was put in place.
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I have to agree Jon, the proposed system would be a very bad move for the future politics of the country, it would allow parties like the BNP to win seats based on a non majority vote as evidenced in last years EU elections.
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Not saying whether I like/dislike the alternative voting system yet (despite writing the article, I’m not sure). I don’t like the current first past the post system as it doesn’t encourage people to vote, “what’s the point” attitude.
I don’t think it would result in parties like the BNP benefiting from the alternative vote system, but would like to hear the argument why you think it would? Are you thinking loads of voters would put BNP first or second in this voting system?
I think this voting system would help the Liberal Democrats the most, (not as much as proportional representation) because I believe the current Lib Dem share of the vote is understated for several reasons.
Lib Dems are currently the only party that’s a serious threat to the two party system, their support has stagnated though, I think because of the two party system, what’s the point voting Lib Dems when they never win government.
I could see many Labour and Conservative voters listing the Lib Dems as their second choice.
I wonder if there’s been any serious polls or studies as to what might happen under the alternative vote system? If Labour are seriously considering it (and it’s not just for playing the Lib Dems politically) they must believe it’s going to benefit Labour (would be political suicide otherwise).
David
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UK Electoral Reform – Alternative Vote System
This system actually makes it HARDER for the BNP. The BNP managed to gain council seats with only getting 30% of the vote due the Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrat candidates all evenly split.
In the AV system, people can give their preference to the higher placed candidate in case their most preferred does poorly.
For example, if there are four candidates, your average Conservative might vote like this:
1 CON
2 LIB
3 LAB
4 BNP
in the same situation.
They don’t have to worry about helping a BNP candidate get elected because they know if the Conservative candidate comes last, their vote can be transferred to either the Liberal Democrats or Labour.
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UK Electoral Reform – Alternative Vote System
The Weimar Republic didn’t have Alternative Voting. They had a system of proportional representation, which is actually still used in Germany today. (The only difference is that the current system requires a party to obtain at least 5% of popular vote in order to gain representation.)
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ConservativeJon appears not to have noticed – the nation is ruined. Have a look via: http://shamedagain.blogspot.com/
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Hi David,
The Alternative Vote System is not a proportional system, rather it is a preferential system. It is perhaps indicative of this that the main proponents of AVS are Liberal Democrats or Labour supporters because they would list the other party as their second preference.
This would be totally undemocratic in the UK and result in a skewing of vote outcomes to favour the larger Labour party – the Conservatives and any other party would be hopelessly outnumbered.
Personally, I would advocate a PR system, such as Mixed Member Proportional whereby national voting outcomes are reflected in the makeup of the national parliament.
For more information see an interesting blog by Simon Kaye on ATV at: http://simontkaye.com/2010/02/02/the-alternative-vote-system-i-political-motivations/
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I agree with you the Alternative Vote System post by Simon Kaye is very interesting and well worth the time reading.
I look forward to his “more academic objections” follow up post he says he’s planning to make.
David
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Can I draw your attention to a system of voting which would deliver PR, has the simplicity of FPTP, maintains the single member constituency, and doesn’t require a huge change from the existing voting system?
Direct Party and Representative Voting
Despite the recent vote in the House of Commons and consequential public debate, the chances of a move to Proportional Representation for Westminster elections are remote.
Those in favour of PR cannot build a coalition. The different forms of PR vary in their ability to deliver PR, are often complex and difficult to understand, and may not be compatible with the single member constituency.
An underlying problem with the existing system is that the voter is faced with the potential dilemma of voting for the party or for the candidate. This works very heavily against independent candidates. These voting issues should be separated as follows.
To meet the demand for political renewal, we need
1 One vote for a party to form the government.
2 One vote for the Constituency MP. This could be by the FPTP system.
and all on one ballot paper – that is the only change we need in the public voting system.
A further change would be needed in Parliament where one MP one vote is ditched, and a fractional voting system introduced. The elected Government’s strength in Parliament would be determined by the first vote. In parliament each MP would exercise a fractional vote. If a party got 40% support in the ‘Government’ vote but 50% of the MPs, each of their MPs would have a vote value 0.8 Independents would have a vote value of one.
Non government bills (Free Votes) could be determined by one vote per MP.
Swipe card voting should make it foolproof and simple.
The Government would then have very precise proportional support, not in MPs but in votes. Why should it have more or less?
This system, Direct Party and Representative Voting (DPR), would have the key features of a PR system and single member constituencies.
> No longer would people be disenfranchised. Every vote would count.
> It would be easy to vote, and easy to count, and the outcomes would be quick and easy to understand.
> There need no longer be a conflict between voting for an individual or a party. You could vote for your party but not necessarily for the particular local representative.
> Yes, it would be difficult for new parties to get started – but arguably less so than at present
> It would make it easier for exceptional individuals or independents to get elected.
This system would not satisfy the ‘Strong Government’ lobby – those who want the system to throw up a big majority for the ‘winning’ party regardless of their actual democratic support. But at least the battle lines and arguments would be simplified.
Not only would this system lead to more independent MPs, it would give all MPs a measure of independence since they will have been elected as individuals rather than just party representatives.
DPR is a voting system that delivers PR, has the simplicity of FPTP, maintains the single member constituency, would make it much easier for Independent Candidates to get elected and doesn’t require a huge change from the existing voting system. It’s easy to understand, simple to implement, has no serious disadvantages.
It would make an enormous contribution to the radical reforms we need to our political system
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UK Electoral Reform – Alternative Vote System
So in an Alternative Vote System or PR, you dont actually vote for the MP, just the Party.
The Party then has carte blanche to nominate in the order they choose who gets the seat in parliament.
Some democracy that is.
Also coalition governments like in Italy, 42 in 46 years. Now that’s expensive!
You would get fringe parties popping up everywhere, the ballot paper would be a mile long after a couple of elections.
First past the post may not be perfect, but at least you can vote for your local MP and it creates more stable government.
I would prefer to see terms limits for MP’s in the Commons and Lords introduced.
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UK Electoral Reform – Alternative Vote System
No in the Alternative Vote System it’s the same as what we have now, MPs are listed in advance of the vote and we vote for the candidate, not the party. In the Alternative Vote System we (the voter) get to make a second, third and fourth… choice and if our first choice candidate gets least votes, our vote now goes to our 2nd choice candidate, if he/she has least votes our vote goes to our 3rd choice, this continues until one candidate has over 50% of the vote.
It does not necessarily result in fringe parties (like the BNP) gaining seats. I would say it would possibly help the Lib Dems more than any other party.
In PR you are kind of right. In our EU elections if an MEP gives up his seat the party picks a replacement. For example in the general election if Nick Griffin (BNP leader and current EU MEP) won a seat (became an MP) he’d have to give up his EU seat (can’t be an MP and MEP now). The party would choose who would take his place.
With AV it’s not like that though, if an MP stands down or dies it’s a by-election and a new vote to determine who takes the seat.
David
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